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Russia's victory will stop Schwab's Great Reset! Only Serbs are still against Nazism

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No matter how the situation in Ukraine ends, and it will end with Russia's victory in the military operation - it is perfectly clear that the West, and more precisely - the post-West - will in no way recognize the results of these military actions or denazification.

Today we are having a great, remarkable interview with Andrei Fursov. Andrej Iljic is a historian, director of the Institute for Systems and Strategic Analysis, and the main thing is: how he sees the future.

Andrej Iljic, hello!

Andrej Fursov: Hello.

About the military operation in Ukraine

We will put aside everything we planned and probably talk about the war and its consequences.

Andrei Fursov: About the military operation

Let's call it that. Let it be a military operation. How do you think it will end?

Andrej Fursov: I think it will end with the Ukrainian Nazi regime being forced to demilitarize and denazify, that is, this regime will disappear.

The last point, which concerns denazification, I would like to discuss in more detail. That is, it is clear what demilitarization means. Our army deals with it. And some other people should have fun with denazification. What, from your point of view, should it look like in the modern world? We are still part of Europe.

Andrej Fursov: Well, part of Europe, but a much larger part than Europe. This Europe is part of a huge mainland, it is a peninsula that considers itself a continent. The fact is that denazification, in essence, has been carried out to date in only one country - the Federal Republic of Germany. It was conducted there under the control of the Americans, the British and the French. Obviously, Russia also has a place in that process. Although this is not about Russia's control over Ukraine - Russia is interested in a neutral, non-bloc Ukraine - but, I think, there must be some transitional period in which denazification should take place. That is, people who have been defiled by all kinds of acts should leave their duties, and some should be brought to justice. Here it is. And specifically, it will be… it is very difficult to consider concrete measures. We can only suggest some basis.

Why did I ask such a stupid, banal question? It seems to me that there is a split in our society - not a dramatic one - because the latest figures show that more than 70 percent support Putin and believe in his policies. However, there is also an active minority, which is visible, which shouts loudly: "No to war", "We attacked Ukraine" and everything else. This confuses many. That is, some, in the end, are afraid that our government will get scared, back down, and start negotiating. As in 2014. Here, hence such a question.

Andrei Fursov: I understand that fear. Especially since before 2014 it was 2008, and before that it was the First Chechen War, which ended with the betrayal in Khasavyurt. But today the situation is completely different. Today, I wrote a post to the members of my group on VKontakte and said that on February 24, 2022, the nineties ended in our country. Even Crimea was not the end of the XNUMXs. It was the prologue to their end. Now, practically everything is at stake. And if the government hesitates in this situation, makes a concession, withdraws before the outer and inner West, that will be the end of this power. Therefore, I think that the self-preservation of the government will work here. But it should work actively, not passively.

The jump must end in a painful fall. For example, those people who go out (on the streets) and scream… they don't just come out with the slogans "No to war!" When we had these protests, people shouted "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to Ukraine!" Glory to the heroes! ”That is, they shouted Bandera slogans. And if they were people from the media, from state structures, they should automatically be deprived of their duties. If your state is conducting a military operation against the Ukrainian regime, and you are demonstrating and supporting that regime, you have no place in state structures.

And non-state?

Andrej Fursov: That must be observed in relation to the circumstances. In general, I think there is a very simple way to solve the problem of the fifth column. No repression: cutting them off from financial and information flows. These people need to find themselves in a vacuum. And, unconditionally, they must feel moral pressure. All these scoundrels must understand that they are in a moral vacuum and that people view them as freaks.

And you don't have the weird feeling that we are somehow, in an obvious way… but I will note for the listeners that it all started with an ultimatum to the United States, on December 10th. What is called a proposal for a new system of global European security; that all this would, after all, merge into what is happening now; and America is nowhere to be found. Biden even went on vacation. And the European Union is at war with us, completely. Are Americans like a neutral country? How do you rate it?

Andrej Fursov: First of all, they are, of course, a neutral country, and not only Europe is at war, Britain is also at war, which is very important in that situation… You know, I have always distinguished Britain from Europe. It is something very special, an island of bandits, pirates and exiles. And exiles and bandits of bandits created America under the Masonic eye. Yes, indeed, that, on the other hand, seems very strange, especially since America in Ukraine is deprived of very sweet cakes. For example, 17 biolabs that, by the way, are formally supervised by Fauci from America. Besides, everyone knows very well that Ukraine is a financial laundry for money laundering of the Obama and Biden clan. I think that the Americans have consciously given the baton to the European Union, that is, to their client who needs to do a program. So the hysteria of the European Union is completely clear. And Germany, first of all. The fact that Scholz spoke and said that this situation removes all guilt from Germany, etc., in my opinion, once again shows that all these years, 30 years, Europe, not only America and Great Britain, but also Europe, the European Community has invested to Ukraine as a base and ram for breaking through against Russia, as in anti-Russia. Konstantin Leontjev once said that the Czechs were weapons that the Slavs took from the Germans and directed against them. So are the Ukri weapons taken from the Russian world by the West and directed against the Russian world. And now everything is falling apart. And all that hysteria - but it is completely clear. I think that the Americans allowed the EU to play, and they are sitting in ambush… Yes, of course, we have another point of view. It has already been heard in our country: that there is an agreement between Russia and the United States - and all this is a show. I do not believe in that opinion. This doesn't look like a deal. I think there is some confusion in the United States as well. What they were shouting: Here Russia is going to attack, now Russia is attacking… It turned out like in the story: wolves, wolves, wolves… And when the military operation began, it turned out that it was not going according to plan A, or according to plan B, but according to a completely different scheme.

And what do you think, at what point will the American regiment jump out of the ambush?

Andrej Fursov: It depends on how the situation will develop. In addition, it should be understood that the United States has enough problems. That's where Trump came to life. The investigation against Hillary Clinton is coming to an end. She will probably not be arrested, but she is still threatened with imprisonment. So they have a lot of their own problems. And there are many different changes here. An unexpected situation related to the course of a military operation may arise here. It is very difficult to predict. We are stepping on very uncertain ground.

Economic and financial aspects of the crisis. Conflict with the inner post-West

How are things changing in the financial global world?

Andrej Fursov: I think that, above all, the world as a whole is changing, and the financial and economic segment is just an element of it. First of all, it should be said: no matter how the situation in Ukraine ends, but it will end, I think, with Russia's victory in the military operation - it is perfectly clear that the West, more precisely - the post-West, because the West died literally before our eyes in recent the next thirty years of the Soviet Union, therefore, the post-West will in no way recognize the results of these military actions, nor denazification. And they will not recognize the new government in Ukraine. It is perfectly clear that sanctions will remain. And in that way, Russia is significantly falling out of the whole series of financial and economic processes.

In addition to the post-West, in the modern world there are also China, India, Iran. It is clear that this narrows the space for financial and economic development. But, on the other hand, it encourages Russia to make substantial changes in the model of economic development. In fact, if that change does not happen, Russia will not endure this conflict. That is why I have repeatedly said that our conflict with the post-West runs along two lines - external and internal. And if we do not solve the problem with the internal post-West, because in our country the post-West is part of the ruling class - all these actresses and journalists who come out and scream "No to war!", They are, above all, a segment of the fifth column in the ruling class - If this problem is not solved, the others will not be solved either. And it can be solved only through serious structural reforms and changes in the development model. The clan-oligarchic regime will not be able to oppose the post-West. The post-West can only be opposed by a regime in which the government and the people are one - they have the same goals, share the same values ​​and so on…

As for the financial and economic aspect, it is a consequence of these processes, in no case their cause.

Military operation in Ukraine and "big reset"

I heard a few apocalyptic predictions today. It is believed that the Ukrainian crisis could become the last "black swan", which will inflict a deadly blow on that world evil, financial capital, which devastated the entire country and will all fly to hell.

Andrej Fursov: It is very good that you touched on this topic. The point is that the crisis is, paradoxically, connected with Russia's military operation in Ukraine, and not a military operation, but a crisis "inflated" from it, fulfills the whole range of functions that the pandemic fulfilled. But the thing is, they ended the pandemic late last year. The pandemic has not fulfilled its tasks. The Green Agenda is also failing. And finally the question: what funds are left to create a new world order? The war in Europe and the famine are the only things left to reshape the world.

One of the reasons, it seems to me, is that the crisis is "grafted" on a military operation, connected not so much with Russia, but with much broader, global problems. It is no coincidence that Schwab stated that the World Economic Forum will support Ukraine in every way. I think that a certain part of the world's top has a great desire to use this crisis to solve a whole series of problems that have not been solved by the pandemic and the "green agenda".

Aren't they afraid that this crisis will just clean them up? And why does hunger have to come?

Andrej Fursov: I think they are afraid of that, but they are not counting on it. For me, the Great Reset written by Schwab and Mahler is equivalent to the unpopular Mein Kampf. Only Hitler did not write a program of reorganization of the whole world, but of Europe, and here a program of change was written not only of the whole world, but also of man. Because, as Schwab said about the Fourth Industrial Revolution, it is not a change in the world around us, but a change in man himself through the means of genomodification.

So, I mean, when these guys started the process, they figured there could be serious problems. Schwab also wrote about the dangers on the way to that great reset. One of the dangers is that the process can be delayed. So it was. The second, if one of the three great countries comes out of it, that is, the United States, China or Russia. And the third - mass protests. Honestly, I did not believe that there would be such resistance to these processes in the West. I did not expect "freedom convoys" in Canada, in America.

I assumed that the western man had long ago turned into a softie, an incompetent man who could be manipulated.

But all these events together: the slow pace of vaccination; the fact that China and Russia do not run by jumping (out of luck) in the process; the fact that there was a sharp resistance to the whole process - all this forced these people to resort to some other means. Because, if they resign, they will lose from that part of the world's top, one of whose officials is Trump. And in this situation, they need something else. For example, war, which can provoke hunger. And hunger is reducing needs, tightening control.

And that is why I think that they will do their best to make the most of the military operation in Ukraine. She will make sure that it is extended as much as possible. Hence the help in weapons. It is such a multifunctional thing. They are weakening Russia, creating a wall between Russia and China on the one hand, and the European Union on the other. And they are doing it with the hands of the Atlantic leaders of the European Union. This is a very serious game. It is surprising that the local military operation of Russia in Ukraine can solve the fate in the next 15-20 years. And it can - on the one hand, speed up the reset process, and on the other - it can break it.

You talked about hunger; I would like to note that Russia and Ukraine control approximately 25% of world wheat exports and approximately 96% of world sunflower oil exports.

Andrej Fursov: They will try to prolong the conflict in order to destroy the sowing.

There is another aspect, which has not been realized so far, but, as I understand it, it represents one of the scenarios. If the situation comes to a standstill, as they say in our country, and Russia pulls the brake, closes the gas pipeline, and interrupts the delivery of fertilizers, which are going to Europe in huge quantities - that is your forecast of famine on the European continent.

Andrej Fursov: On the occasion of fertilizers. The fact is that in the last six months, the companies that produce fertilizer have sharply raised its price. And thanks to that, large agroholdings are gaining, but small and medium agribusiness is losing, farmers are losing. This is really becoming a factor in the sharp increase in food prices, which is one of the components of a big reset. Because quality food should be for 15-20% of those who are on top. To others - meat from locusts and worms and from 3D.

Only Serbs fought against Hitler in Europe, side by side with the Russians. They have been preparing Ukraine for thirty years as anti-Russia

Such a mass reaction, of Europe above all, to the conflict in Ukraine - is it a product of media manipulation? Or is it really a consequence of two years of sitting in a pandemic? Why have Europeans worked so hard for Ukraine? What do they need Ukraine for?

Andrej Fursov: They don't care about Ukraine, they care about Russia. For me, it was a very characteristic phrase uttered a few years ago by Ursula von der Layen, that woman with the face of a communal trade unionist. She chose June 22 and said that Russia should be discussed from a position of strength. She did not choose June 22 by chance. You are right when you talk about two years of sitting because of a pandemic. But the fact is that the plans of the European Union related to Ukraine were made a long time ago. Ukraine has also been prepared as anti-Russia for the last thirty years. I think that is based on the desire for revenge.

The future. From your point of view, in this chaos, in this conflict that can have the most terrible consequences, the ones you call the Anglo-Saxons - do they even exist? Are they subjects? Can they win or not?

Andrei Fursov: I call Anglo-Saxons Anglo-Americans, do you mean?

Not. I'll be more precise. This is a topic that has probably appeared in the last month or two. Here, many began to make conspiracy theories about the fact that America is as old as old Europe. And Britain, on the other hand, gained a new youth. And all the strings in Eurasia are now being pulled by the English. They incite everything, they ignite the fire of war. And they want to bury Germany, which will be the first to suffer in this conflict.

Andrei Fursov: No, it's not like that. In his time, Rhodes set the task of returning a global British empire to the United States. But history has gone in a completely different direction. With synchronized blows, not agreeing, but realizing what the partner was doing, the Soviet Union and the United States dealt a deadly blow to the British Empire in 1956, after which the British had two options: either die quietly or create an invisible financial empire. When we talk about the United States and Great Britain, it is necessary to understand that, in addition to the fact that there are two countries - the United States and Great Britain - there are also clans, Anglo-American and American-English, which have their own interests. At the same time, part of the American establishment is oriented towards British clans and part of the British towards American ones. These are very complex, intertwined connections. In addition, the situation is complicated by the fact that different clans, clans from different countries are represented in the same structures. That is, they agree like Euler's circles - somewhere they fight with each other, and somewhere they fight together. By the way, the same thing is happening along the state line. The British government of Great Britain, after the Second World War, in order to slow down the Americans a little, sold us great, at that time the best in the world, aircraft engines, and in the Korean sky, Soviet pilots destroyed Americans using those engines. At the same time, in the early 50s, American and Soviet intelligence supplied Malay rebels - primarily ethnic Chinese - in the fight against the British Empire. That is, everything here is closely connected. The British have really, very actively, risen in the last 40-50 years. They have really succeeded in many ways. But to say that the British are holding the strings would be an exaggeration. There are several groups in the world that are interconnected like Euler's circles. Somewhere they work together, somewhere they fight with each other.

As for Germany, Germany is not a subject at all - it is a protectorate of the United States, above all. But there are different German clans - Prussians, Bavarians. There are also absolutely pro-British clans. That is, the picture of these mutual relations and influences is significantly more complex. But if we are talking about Europe, forgetting the British for a moment, then there is an unconditional tendency to convert… The European Union is not a political entity. There have been several attempts in history to create the European Union. The last attempt, which almost succeeded, was Hitler's. Hitler's European Union. And the Soviet Union was not at war only with the Third Reich, but with Hitler's European Union. In one of his last interviews, when he was already retired, Meljnik-Botkin, the head of the French special service at the time of De Gaulle, said, addressing the Russians: Do not be mistaken - the French will never forgive you for breaking Napoleon 200 years ago. I deeply believe that the European Union as a whole, and not just the Germans, will never forgive Russia for defeating Hitler. Because the whole of Europe fell under Hitler and the only ones who can say that they stood side by side with the Russians in that fight are - the Serbs. Everyone else fell under Hitler. And we defeated that Hitler. The European Union will never forgive us.

And there is another moment. Fyodor Ivanovich Tyutchev once said that with the appearance of the empire of Peter the Great, the empire of Charlemagne in Europe was impossible. That is, the Russian Empire was born and that is why the unification of Europe in the spirit of Charles I is impossible. It turned out that he was completely right. Pay attention: when did the European Union finally get back on its feet? When the Soviet Union was destroyed. That is, growing Russia and the declining European Union are merged courts. And in the European Union, they understand that very well. Especially since, for numerous reasons, the European Union is shooting at the seams. That is why the non-acceptance of Russia by these people has a deep historical character. Not with everyone, but with the elite - yes.

In that case, explain: the hatred of the united Europe towards Russia, if I understood correctly, is systemic, centuries-old and, in general, should be accepted as a given. But in that case, theoretically, Anglo-Americans should, situationally, be our allies. And the English act like Chapaev - forward, on horseback.

Andrei Fursov: Yes and no. Pay attention, we very often fought together with England, both against Napoleon and against Hitler. Some even say that it is because Russia was a cryptocolony of Great Britain. That's stupid. In fact, Great Britain and Russia, whatever its name is, are the two leading countries. Both were interested in not having a strong European center, be it Germany or France. So together they broke Napoleon, together they broke Wilhelm, Hitler. But when these periods ended, Russia automatically became an enemy of the British. And now with the British we have a very interesting weaving. The British, building their invisible financial empire… have several bases. One is - South China, the other - the Middle East and they want to very actively enter the Caucasus and help Turkey.

But it will be very difficult for them to enter Central Asia, where China and Turkey are playing their games. And, there is, of course, Eastern Europe. And it was here that they clashed with both the European Union and the Americans. A week or two ago, I assumed that the Americans, who are not interested in too strong a development of this invisible British financial empire, could do with the British what they had already done to them in 1956, during the Suez Crisis. The Americans then gave the British a strong impression that they would support them in the event of a crisis. But as soon as Khrushchev promised two divisions of volunteers and reminded that the Soviet Union also possessed nuclear weapons, the British ran to Eisenhower for help, and the Americans coldly replied that they did not support the colonial empires. And if what the Russians have imagined happens in Ukraine now, it completely destroys the British plan to create the Poland-Ukraine-Turkey-Great Britain bloc. Because Ukraine is falling out of this society. And that breaks the British game. Who is winning? The Americans are winning.

The European Union is not a political entity

The Americans are winning. And do you deny that Europe, continental, is a subject? That is, they will in any case suffer no matter how this conflict develops.

Andrej Fursov: Yes, they will suffer in any case. Because they are not a political entity. In general, there is one country in Europe that looks like a political entity. It is France, which has two nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons. But France with a non-white population is a country that can be easily manipulated. But that does not mean that European financial-aristocratic clans do not play a big role in the big game. This means that the European Union and some countries do not play, but clans do. We are fixed, completely idiotic, on absolutely harmless - well, there are no harmless structures there - on a strange structure like the Bilderberg Club. But, there is, for example, a structure that is not written about in our country, for example - "Island Club." The "Island Club" is a closed structure always run by an English lord, and always a Liechtenstein duke. But it is important to say that the dukes of Liechtenstein have a special position in the European aristocracy, much stronger than the Grimaldi family and the dukes of Luxembourg. In addition, there are other structures. That is, when we say that Europe is not a subject, we mean that it is not a subject at the level of states and the European Union. But there are entities in the form of closed supranational structures. And they have their game.

And that is part of the world government, I apologize, it is not ironic, that is the question.

Andrej Fursov: Sergei Alexandrovich, there can be no world government because the world is too complex to be managed from one center. There are different groups.

I understand, network structure, several centers.

Andrei Fursov: Yes, absolutely true. There are different structures, they have relationships that stretch, many problems stretch and graft on today's situation, many problems stretch from ancient times, so to the average person it seems like the madness of some experts when they talk about it. There are many contradictions within, so to speak, the European aristocracy - these are the contradictions between the descendants of Carolingian and Merovingian.

People wonder what that meaning is (today)? But it matters to these people. Because these people have been thinking about it for centuries. For them, too, it is a problem of blood and the problem of the destruction of the Merovingians by the Carolingians and the Pope of Rome - it was for them yesterday. It's an insult.

China consists of nine to twelve clans

And here we move to another country, rooted in millennia - China, which is not in your thoughts. And where is China?

Andrei Fursov: China is in my considerations. Now we are talking about Europe and America. China is playing its game. I have never been a supporter of the opinion that China will be a global leader in the 9st century. China has a lot of restrictions. Its main limitation is, in my opinion, the following: the more economically successful China is, the greater its social and political problems. China, according to various estimates, consists of 12-XNUMX regional clans. And China is not guaranteed that, in the case of great economic success, say, the southern part, which is connected, by the way, with the British since the First and Second Opium War, connected with the British and not the Americans… with China in general, is not so simple and it is not as clear as it seems at first glance.

All these talks about China being the leader in the 70st century remind me of the talks from the beginning of the 90th century about the fact that, in twenty years, Russia will "trample everything". Russia, indeed, developed rapidly economically, but that rapid development broke Russia's social backbone. If you forgot, there were such conversations about Japan, in the XNUMX's, that Japan will in the next twenty years… Japan was overthrown by the USA in the XNUMX's with one karate blow. Japan has remained the same.

By the way, it is not by chance that Schwab noticed in his book that all countries should reduce their needs, reduce economic growth. For the least developed countries, it will be Patagonia (Patagonia is the least developed part of Argentina). And for the most developed countries, it will be Japaneseization, that is, the state in which Japan found itself in the XNUMXs.

Neither Japan nor Russia have become leaders despite forecasters. The same is the case with China. In time, she will have more and more problems. I'm not sure he'll deal with them. I think that China, with an active foreign policy, with the solution of the problem with Taiwan, with good relations with Russia, can build its zone in Asia and prevent the Japanese from doing that. If you remember, the Japanese had such a concept - the great Asian sphere of common flowering. China can try to do the same. But for that, she needs a Russian back and constant tension in relations with the United States.

It is absolutely inevitable. Some argue that U.S. involvement in World War II was precisely the war with Japan for what they call the Pacific region. There is no question of any protection of democracy and tolerance. They cared neither for Hitler nor for the others.

Andrei Fursov: Of course.

Hence the question: it is obvious that the next step is to turn China into the same, imperial Japan, which claims the entire Pacific region. Is not it? By that logic, Russia and Europe are somewhere on the periphery.

Andrei Fursov: Yes. But there is one more thing. Only if China does not fall apart. The Congress of the Communist Party of China will be held this year. One variant of development is: Xi Jinping defeats his opponents, the so-called "Komsomol members". The second variant: does not win. And here completely different games begin.

We are now talking about a multipolar world. The world has not yet become multipolar to the end, but it is already becoming multipolar. The world is entering a zone of chaos, where it is very difficult to predict. From playing tennis, the world is turning into a squash game. And from chess - to the game go. And here, on the one hand, we have very interesting schedules, which, however, will change very quickly. At the same time, it is characteristic of such a chaotic situation that even the smallest causes can cause great consequences. That is why it is necessary to carefully monitor even the smallest movements, the smallest changes. In a situation of balance, it is enough for the butterfly to land on one bowl and everything will move to the other side. The role of coincidence is growing rapidly here, I would say - the role of events.

About South America

I would like to draw your attention to the news that everyone has ignored. Bolsonaro demonstratively arrived in Moscow and demonstratively refused to support the sanctions. And today, Mexico has done the same - in general, the US protectorate. What does this tell us? Could it be that butterfly?

Andrei Fursov: I don't think it can be that butterfly. As for Mexico, of course, it is more of a state than Colombia, but the state of Mexico is a collection of drug cartels. If Colombia is two big drug cartels and a government, then Mexico is something different. The situation with Brazil is more complicated. But both Mexico and Brazil are solving their problems. It seems to them that the situation of global chaos is very pleasant, global muddy water in which fish can be fished.

The influence of the USA in the same Mexico and Brazil is huge. So I figured out how it went without Biden's emissaries. Maybe it's just part of the game?

Andrei Fursov: It can be. The point is that world power is cunningly constructed. All variants are in play. But it can also be perfect… Bolsonaro is a very emotional man, he reacts violently. I once talked to Leonid Vladimirovich Shebrashin, and he tells me that one should not see evil intentions in every action, it can be elementary stupidity. I answered him: the thing is that stupidity is the best form in which evil intentions can be hidden. It can be this way or that. You may be absolutely right that this is part of a game. And maybe it's not a game.

Russia and Turkey

We are left with another ambitious player, who has not yet shown himself - Turkey, another Erdogan. Is he a subject at all, is he independent? Or is the pawn in the hands of London?

Andrej Fursov: As a regional player, he is a subject, as far as games are concerned in the Caucasus, in Central Asia in part; but he is certainly part of the British plan. More precisely, British-American. Both the Americans and the British have one sweet habit: if they are preparing to do something nasty, they start "pushing", elevating people who are connected to those regions - directly or indirectly. For example, when they decided to destroy the socialist camp through Poland, Zbigniew Brzezinski suddenly appeared, a Pole appeared as the Pope of Rome. And many Catholics appeared, including Casey, the head of the CIA in the Reagan administration. It was the same with Tenet and the CIA when they destroyed Serbia, using Albania for that.

I want to remind you who the CIA chief has been lately - true, they have already replaced her, but this is a person who worked in Turkey, Azerbaijan. And Moore, who heads MI-6, is a former specialist for Turkey, who collects Turkish carpets, who supports Turkish clubs, who says Erdogan is his friend. And when these people were placed in the CIA and MI-6, it became perfectly clear to me that the strike would be in the Caucasus, on the Azerbaijan-Karabakh line.

Sure, Erdogan will try to play his game, but he is involved in a much broader project. Remember, in "Nautilus" there was a principle - movable in movable. Erdogan is a moving element in a moving British project. By the way, that does not mean that at some point Erdogan's interests cannot come into conflict with British interests. I can, quite. But they still need Erdogan.

And how can we explain the practical suicide of "British Petroleum", which, after leaving "Rosneft" - I note, they had 19 percent - simply ceased to be a major player in the energy market?

 Andrei Fursov: This is a mystery to me. Maybe it will soon become clear to us what the matter is.

"Deep power", not "deep state"

Will the French stay in the Russian energy sector?

Andrej Fursov: When we talk about contradictions in the modern world, for some reason we are focused on the problems of the state. We do not think that there are transnational corporations that have their own interests, that there are closed structures, that there are clans. And besides, what is "deep power"? This is a much more accurate term than "deep state" in the modern world. Deep power is a form of mutual influence of the state and closed supranational structures. At the same time, deep power is created, practically, simultaneously with the state and closed supranational structures. Therefore, when we study the modern world, we must open four eyes while observing the state, closed structures, transnational companies and deep government.

In addition, special services and criminal unions often play an autonomous role in this system. That is, today's phase of the world struggle for power, information and resources - represents a fantastically interesting world, in which there are many players. And every time you roll the dice - the schedule is completely different.

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